We've seen the next generation, and it means... Er, faster loading times and time loops! Sony delivered a rip-roaring ride through a diverse range of software at its PS5 reveal event - here's everything as it happened.
[ENGLISH] PS5 - THE FUTURE OF GAMING SHOW Watch on YouTubeOur live coverage of this event has finished.
16:06 pm UTC Well good afternoon and how do you do. Martin Robinson 16:06 pm UTC I'm excited, as I'm sure you all are. Martin Robinson 16:07 pm UTC Though I'm not so excited as to sit here for the next four hours - we'll kick off properly around 8.30pm BST, with the event due to start at 9pm BST. Martin Robinson 16:08 pm UTC In the mean time, may I suggest some light reading to keep you going the next few hours? Martin Robinson 16:09 pm UTC We have Digital Foundry doing a deep dive into PS5's specs. Martin Robinson 16:10 pm UTC Make sure you're there, bring snacks and bring a bottle or two - we believe it's set to be well over an hour so we'll have plenty of time to get to know each other. Martin Robinson 16:12 pm UTC And here are details of every game we know about for PS5. Martin Robinson 16:13 pm UTC See you all later this evening! Martin Robinson 19:30 pm UTC Can't see any better way to start this off than that, really. Martin Robinson 19:31 pm UTC Hello! I'm now comfortable in my shed with a bottle of cheap red and a heart full of hope ahead of our first glimpse of the next generation of videogames. Martin Robinson 19:32 pm UTC (It's the ninth generation, for those keeping score). Martin Robinson 19:32 pm UTCBertie: Are you in your racing chair Martin?
Always.
Martin Robinson 19:33 pm UTCsamquorn92: Is this worth getting out of end bed grinding up a fresh bowl?
Treat yourself! It's Christmas!
Martin Robinson 19:34 pm UTC I'm more excited about this than I've been for an event for some time - I don't want to overhype it too much, but we might be on for something of E3 2015 proportions. Martin Robinson 19:35 pm UTC Cut to me getting increasingly bored and frustrated in an hour's time after a stream of nonsensical reveals and hollow marketing bullshit. Martin Robinson 19:35 pm UTC I'm optimistic though! Martin Robinson 19:35 pm UTC What to expect? Martin Robinson 19:35 pm UTC This is off the record, so keep it between us. Martin Robinson 19:36 pm UTC But I've heard Ken Kutaragi is back. Martin Robinson 19:36 pm UTC He's going to come onstage with an Xbox Series X and smash it with a hammer for 30 minutes straight. Martin Robinson 19:37 pm UTC The next 30 minutes is just him explaining finance options for getting hold of a PS5 and explaining how you can re-mortgage your house. Martin Robinson 19:37 pm UTC It's going to be EPIC. Martin Robinson 19:37 pm UTC A sequel to The Order would be absolutely perfect launch fodder - the perfect 6/10 game. Martin Robinson 19:38 pm UTC45709: I’ve had 4 cans and half a bottle of wine
Oh dear god.
Martin Robinson 19:38 pm UTC What *actually* might happen, though. Martin Robinson 19:40 pm UTC Is glimpses of Gran Turismo and Horizon Zero Dawn 2, the not-so-secret Demon's Souls remake plus a generous helping of third-party offerings being led by Sony's Japanese partners - I'm expecing Capcom and Square Enix among others to show us what their vision of next-gen looks like. Martin Robinson 19:41 pm UTC That and graphics. There will be so many graphics. Martin Robinson 19:41 pm UTC I'm only here to drool over Jim Ryan though. Martin Robinson 19:41 pm UTC If PS5 can come close to rendering his manly beauty I'd be first in line to buy one at any cost. Martin Robinson 19:42 pm UTC I'm thinking that might be the one bit of bad news that Sony might want to hold back while it has its moment of glory. But what do I know? Martin Robinson 19:44 pm UTCXmasn00b: Are we playng NippleWatch tonight, or is it "not thiat kinda show"?
After 9pm anything goes.
Martin Robinson 19:44 pm UTC I'm not even sure if we'll have a presenter as such and it might be a more Nintendo Direct-style approach. Let's wait and see! Martin Robinson 19:45 pm UTC If there's one thing I miss about E3 - and there isn't that much to be honest - it's the added and frankly quite unnecessary drama of a live show, with all its clumsiness. Martin Robinson 19:45 pm UTCKami: If Jim Ryan wants to flash a bit of nip, I don't see anyone who'd complain here...
Imagine that nipple delivered with the power of Unreal Engine 5.
Martin Robinson 19:46 pm UTC 15 minutes to go! Time to start thinking of a tactical toilet break. Martin Robinson 19:46 pm UTC Though I'm going wild tonight and might just go in the garden. I've gone feral since lockdown. Martin Robinson 19:49 pm UTC Ah sorry that's in old money. 6-7/10 are Recommended, 3-5 and 8/10 are no badge and 2 and 9-10/10 are Essential. Hope that clears things up! Martin Robinson 19:49 pm UTCdogmanstar_: You in the shed Martin?
I basically live out here now, so yes.
Martin Robinson 19:50 pm UTC45709: I’m essential
Don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise.
Martin Robinson 19:51 pm UTC Gosh I've had so much fun talking to you all I didn't realise it's now only ten minutes to go. Martin Robinson 19:51 pm UTC I should probably put the stream on in my shed. Martin Robinson 19:52 pm UTCPSfourskin: Doesn't the review score depend on who EG is biased towards that week?
Depends whose cheque has cleared mostly, yeah.
Martin Robinson 19:52 pm UTC I thought it was an hour but it's scheduled on the PS4 dashboard for two hours. So who knows! Martin Robinson 19:53 pm UTC *salutes* Martin Robinson 19:55 pm UTCbillylyons: Martin, what bevvies have you got for the watch-a-long?
A bottle of red, which I've just this second cracked open. I don't like to start these things drunk - I'm a professional, don't you know - and prefer to get absolutely shit-faced during the actual thing.
Martin Robinson 19:55 pm UTC Five minutes and my heart is PUMPING. Martin Robinson 19:56 pm UTCeshy76: Martin I hope you’ve prepared your spiel for when HZD2 inevitably appears...
It's a perfectly decent 8/10.
Martin Robinson 19:56 pm UTC *runs and hides* Martin Robinson 19:57 pm UTC Another downside of this not being a live show is missing out on the ludicrous rumours that go around the queues at these events. Martin Robinson 19:58 pm UTC At the Google Stadia one a while back more than a few people told me OutRun 3 was a Stadia exclusive. They knew exactly where to hit me. Martin Robinson 19:58 pm UTC Also was it last year that people were saying Miyamoto was going to come on-stage at the Microsoft press event? Martin Robinson 19:58 pm UTC Just beautiful. Martin Robinson 19:59 pm UTC Oh lord a new Everybody's Golf would be SENSATIONAL. Martin Robinson 19:59 pm UTC That sounds... interesting? Martin Robinson 20:00 pm UTC Oh look at the time! Martin Robinson 20:00 pm UTC IT'S NEXT-GEN O'CLOCK Martin Robinson 20:00 pm UTC Happy video game Christmas everyone! Here's hoping Santa hasn't bought us a PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale sequel. Martin Robinson 20:01 pm UTC Fashionably late, as ever. Martin Robinson 20:01 pm UTC Don't they just have to hit the play button? Martin Robinson 20:01 pm UTC And here we go. Martin Robinson 20:02 pm UTC We're promised some mature content - which usually means necks will be stabbed. Martin Robinson 20:02 pm UTC Either this is off to a weird start or the ketamine has just kicked in. Martin Robinson 20:03 pm UTC A brief history of PlayStation, and a splash of the best start-up sound in video game history from the OG PS1. Martin Robinson 20:03 pm UTC Why are my palms sweating. Why am I so damn excited to see some video game. Ooh, I live for this shit. Martin Robinson 20:04 pm UTC And we're straight in with Rockstar? It's GTA5. Martin Robinson 20:04 pm UTC I've played this one. Martin Robinson 20:04 pm UTC I do think they pressed the PS4 reveal button. Oh well. Martin Robinson 20:04 pm UTC At least it wasn't the PS3 reveal button. Martin Robinson 20:05 pm UTC Well, GTA5 is coming to PS5. Martin Robinson 20:05 pm UTC Which is one way to start off your big next gen reveal. Martin Robinson 20:05 pm UTC Oh Sony, don't screw this. Martin Robinson 20:06 pm UTC Well, that announcement of GTA5 coming to PS5 has at least settled my heart rate and lowered my excitement levels. Martin Robinson 20:06 pm UTC Hold on, who am I kidding. Martin Robinson 20:06 pm UTC IT'S JIM RYAN. Martin Robinson 20:07 pm UTC Wearing a slightly less silky shirt, and also sneakily hiding whether he's gone tucked or untucked. Martin Robinson 20:07 pm UTC Oh Jim you are such a tease! And that's why I love you. Martin Robinson 20:07 pm UTC He's gone now. I hope he comes back. I could look at that face forever. Martin Robinson 20:08 pm UTC Ah I guess it'd be nice to see some PS5 games too, commencing with some PS Studios games adn what looks like Spiderman 2. Martin Robinson 20:08 pm UTC Headed up by Miles Morales, of course. And looking a lot like Spider-Man on PS4, but this is early days still. Martin Robinson 20:08 pm UTC Also apologies for styling Spider-Man every single way I know, I don't have my Marvel style book with me. Martin Robinson 20:09 pm UTC Here's Kaz, though, to show us Gran Turismo which always has the graphics. Martin Robinson 20:09 pm UTC And after GT Sport - which was ace - a promise of more of a career mode. Martin Robinson 20:10 pm UTC The Porsche 917 FINALLY makes it to Gran Turismo, as do some of the old-school tracks. Martin Robinson 20:10 pm UTC And it is Gran Turismo 7 - so a return to a more traditional Gran Turismo experience after the online-focussed GT Sport. Martin Robinson 20:11 pm UTC It strill looks like they can't be arsed with damage... Martin Robinson 20:12 pm UTC Well, it looks like Gran Turismo alright. I don't think that was quite as stunning as I'd have hoped. Martin Robinson 20:12 pm UTC And as a motorsport traditionalist it just looks odd seeing GT cars racing against a 917. Martin Robinson 20:12 pm UTC Anyway, RATCHET AND CLANK. Martin Robinson 20:13 pm UTC And it does look sensational, with different locales jumping in an out of place in a real flexing of next-gen muscle. Martin Robinson 20:14 pm UTC The YouTube one isn't great either - it's full of compression and artefacts which make everything look at bit... shit. Martin Robinson 20:14 pm UTC But here's a longer look at the new Ratchet and Clank, which is built around the idea of dimensional drifts - hence those fast-swapping scenes. Martin Robinson 20:15 pm UTC It's no Knack 3 though is it? (It does look lovely) Martin Robinson 20:16 pm UTC This does look like a very smart spin on the action platformer, though, with that SSD being pushed for some interesting gameplay ideas. Martin Robinson 20:17 pm UTC This one's all about the SSD. Martin Robinson 20:17 pm UTC Well, that does look like a very good time. Martin Robinson 20:17 pm UTCjim_jiminy: looks like a wii-u game
There's no higher praise!
Martin Robinson 20:17 pm UTC Sqaure Enix, wiht a look at... Martin Robinson 20:18 pm UTC Oh I thought this was going to be Final Fantasy 16 for a while, but it's Project Athia, a pretty looking action platformer. Martin Robinson 20:18 pm UTC And it's a PS5 exclusive. Martin Robinson 20:18 pm UTC Ha, indeed. Martin Robinson 20:19 pm UTC I was not expecting to see the Annapurna logo tonight, but here we go - it's as good a guarantee of quality as you can get these days. Martin Robinson 20:20 pm UTC And it's got a cat in it so I'm there day one. Martin Robinson 20:20 pm UTC It's called Stray. I think you might be the cat in a world of melancholy robots and I think this game sounds perfect? Martin Robinson 20:20 pm UTC Anyway, that's one for 2021. Martin Robinson 20:21 pm UTCTatonka: So how do we like the presentation so far? 8/10?
I'd actually go as far as to give it a Recommended so far.
Martin Robinson 20:22 pm UTC Jim Ryan might have gone, but here's someone just as sexy - it's Hermen Hulst. Martin Robinson 20:22 pm UTC And he's showing off a new IP! Martin Robinson 20:22 pm UTC It's from Housemarque, which gets me excited. Martin Robinson 20:23 pm UTC It's got graphics! Martin Robinson 20:23 pm UTC And seems to be built around some kind of Groundhog Day concept, but with a bit more sci-fi thrown in. Martin Robinson 20:24 pm UTC It's third-person action that also looks to blend in some of the arcade shooting chops the studio is renowned for into its shooting. Martin Robinson 20:24 pm UTC And it's got a completely nonsensical name - Returnal. Martin Robinson 20:24 pm UTC And I really, really want to play it. Martin Robinson 20:25 pm UTC Sumo Digital are up next - this is a rollcall of all my favourite developers at the moment - with... Martin Robinson 20:25 pm UTC Sackboy: A Big Adventure! I think this one's been in the works for a while. Martin Robinson 20:27 pm UTC It looks like a more authored take on the LittleBigPlanet formula, which I'm more than okay with. Martin Robinson 20:27 pm UTC MOVING ON! Martin Robinson 20:27 pm UTC It's a game from Lucid, a lovely bunch of Liverpool des - and it looks a lot like Rocket League. Martin Robinson 20:27 pm UTC Oh wait, that's doing it a disservice. Martin Robinson 20:28 pm UTC It's car combat mixed with on-foot combat in a pretty exciting looking mix of styles. Martin Robinson 20:28 pm UTC The visuals haven't really wowed me so far - but the gameplay has, which is kind of more important to me. Martin Robinson 20:30 pm UTC Anyway, that was Destruction All-Stars - a tie-in with Destruction Derby, perhaps? Martin Robinson 20:31 pm UTC And we're onto something from Ember Lab which looks very pretty - it's another third person action platformer that looks (you can punch me for saying this) like a playable animated film. Martin Robinson 20:31 pm UTC I think I remember people saying that about Mario 64 when it was first shown off. I think we'll always be saying that at events like this. Martin Robinson 20:31 pm UTC Kena Bridge of Spirits, there, looking quite lovely. Martin Robinson 20:31 pm UTC A cracking pace to this showcase. Martin Robinson 20:32 pm UTC Here's some emo dinosaurs. Martin Robinson 20:32 pm UTC Goodbye Volcano High, which gives me storng Night in the Woods vibes. Martin Robinson 20:33 pm UTC Kudos to Sony for giving this platform to something other than the typical stabby neck stuff. Martin Robinson 20:33 pm UTC In fact, has anyone seen a neck be stabbed yet? Martin Robinson 20:33 pm UTC Lorne Lanning, who always seems like he's off his tits, shows a new Oddworld game. WHAT YEAR IS THIS. Martin Robinson 20:34 pm UTC It looks very Oddworld, but with more graphics. I'm good with that. Martin Robinson 20:34 pm UTC People love graphics. Martin Robinson 20:35 pm UTC Oddworld Soulstorm, there. Martin Robinson 20:35 pm UTC I've been hugely impressed by all this so far. Martin Robinson 20:35 pm UTC Oh man and bust out Shinji Mikami why won't you, who's going to show us Ghostwire for the first time. Martin Robinson 20:36 pm UTC At this rate they just need to get Treasure out to reveal a new game and pretty much all my fave devs will have made an appearance. Martin Robinson 20:37 pm UTC Ghostwire is a very strange looking supernatural FPS - which somehow gives me Maken X vibes. Martin Robinson 20:37 pm UTC Getting cult Dreamcast game vibes is no bad thing, of course. Martin Robinson 20:37 pm UTC As long as you follow it up with a new Bangai-O. Martin Robinson 20:38 pm UTC Go on Sony, you know you want to. Martin Robinson 20:38 pm UTC Superbrothers' new joint next. Martin Robinson 20:39 pm UTCfabio78: Martin, we know you hate Horizon Zero Dawn. If they close the show with the sequel, please don't spoil the good vibes.
I don't hate it! I'm just not as smitten with it as some others are. And of course I'll be respectful.
Martin Robinson 20:39 pm UTC It's still an 8/10 game tho. Martin Robinson 20:40 pm UTC Well, that Superbrothers game was a lot of atmosphere and not much else I could ascertain. What atmoshpere though! Martin Robinson 20:40 pm UTC Now this looks very 2008. Martin Robinson 20:41 pm UTC A chonky combat-focussed third person action game. Martin Robinson 20:41 pm UTC Oh, it's Godfall. Hello Godfall! Martin Robinson 20:41 pm UTC That was Godfall. Martin Robinson 20:41 pm UTC Innit. Martin Robinson 20:42 pm UTC Hyper Light Drifter follow-up now, which I know we've seen before but I've forgotten its name and oh god there are so many games. Martin Robinson 20:43 pm UTC Solar Ash! It's got gravity in it, it's got an art-style like every indie game from the mid-teens and it's coming out in 2021. Martin Robinson 20:43 pm UTC Oh wow, and a new Hitman why not. Martin Robinson 20:43 pm UTC Calm your jets Sony my typing hands are hurting. Martin Robinson 20:44 pm UTC Next-gen Hitman is an idea I could very much get behind. Yes very please very thank you. Martin Robinson 20:44 pm UTC They didn't even let him stab a neck though. There must be a ban on it. Martin Robinson 20:44 pm UTC Good on them. Martin Robinson 20:45 pm UTC This is Hitman 3, and it's a conclusion to the trilogy. And here's the game in action. Martin Robinson 20:45 pm UTC I'm expecting CROWDS. Martin Robinson 20:45 pm UTC Ooh, no instead we get CLOUDS. Martin Robinson 20:45 pm UTC It's coming next January. Martin Robinson 20:46 pm UTC ONWARDS! Martin Robinson 20:46 pm UTC It's a look at the UI! Martin Robinson 20:46 pm UTC A very brief look at the UI. It looked well nice and, well - particle-y. I think that's what Digital Foundry would have said too. Martin Robinson 20:46 pm UTC A NEW ASTROBOT. Martin Robinson 20:46 pm UTC GET IN. Martin Robinson 20:47 pm UTC Astro's Playroom, that is. Martin Robinson 20:47 pm UTC Go on then, give us another game. Martin Robinson 20:48 pm UTC This looks mad and beautiful and ambitious - it's from Neostream, who Google tells me worked on a project called Little Devil Inside. Martin Robinson 20:49 pm UTC A man did a poop and all sorts of other stuff happened and I have no idea how this game works as it seems to be a ragtag collection of pretty much everything. Martin Robinson 20:49 pm UTC And it is Little Devil Inside! Well, there's something. Martin Robinson 20:49 pm UTC It's American netball now. Time for a toilet break? Martin Robinson 20:50 pm UTC NBA Jam looked better. Martin Robinson 20:51 pm UTC Hang on here's a game where you play as a strawberry, that piss can wait. Martin Robinson 20:51 pm UTC It's from the Octodad lot, and looks suitably off-beat. Martin Robinson 20:52 pm UTC With a bit more Keita Takahashi weirdness thrown in too. Martin Robinson 20:52 pm UTC And that be Bugsnax. Martin Robinson 20:53 pm UTC NEXT! Martin Robinson 20:53 pm UTC PlayStation's cuddliest mascot Shuhei Yoshida up for what can only be Demon's Souls. Martin Robinson 20:54 pm UTC And indeed it is. Sit back and enjoy! Martin Robinson 20:55 pm UTC Hmmm. Martin Robinson 20:55 pm UTC That was the Demon's Souls remake. It looked a bit too... Cuddly? Martin Robinson 20:56 pm UTC That was one of the few disappointments so far for me, here's hoping it looks better in action. Martin Robinson 20:56 pm UTC Anyway here's a new Arkane joint so I'm going to just shut up and watch. Martin Robinson 20:56 pm UTC It's being made internally at Japan Studios, I believe. Martin Robinson 20:56 pm UTCcaptain-T-dawg: Demon Souls looked a bit...cuddly?
The artstyle just seemed off and not grimy enough!
Martin Robinson 20:57 pm UTC Time loops are the big thing in next gen, it seems - here's Arkane's take in this previously announced assassin sim. Martin Robinson 20:58 pm UTC It looks procedurally generated, but that could just be me. Martin Robinson 20:59 pm UTC Well, that looked - okay? I think it's one to play rather than watch though! Martin Robinson 21:00 pm UTC Here's some first-person horror. Martin Robinson 21:00 pm UTC And I reckon this could be Resident Evil 8. Martin Robinson 21:00 pm UTC Yup, it's definitely the RE Engine. Martin Robinson 21:01 pm UTC As rumoured, a more European take on the series. I wonder if VR will return? I certainly hope so. Martin Robinson 21:01 pm UTCjim_jiminy: great textures
Oooh stop you're making me blush.
Martin Robinson 21:01 pm UTC This looks deliciously mad and over-the-top and WEREWOLVES. Martin Robinson 21:02 pm UTC And yes, it's RE8. Martin Robinson 21:02 pm UTC CHUNKY CHRIS REDFIELD TOO. Martin Robinson 21:02 pm UTC Absolutely, and I'm onboard. Martin Robinson 21:03 pm UTC Now what is this? Martin Robinson 21:04 pm UTC It seems very Kojima, and that spacesuit chap looks a bit like Ludens. Martin Robinson 21:04 pm UTC Pragmata, this be. Martin Robinson 21:05 pm UTC It's a new Capcom IP. Martin Robinson 21:05 pm UTC Lord knows what is, but colour me intrigued. Martin Robinson 21:05 pm UTC MORE GAMES ARE COMING. Martin Robinson 21:05 pm UTCSerial_Carpens: Someone has been smoking Kojima's stash.
I don't think I could take whatever he's smoking. It's the strong shit.
Martin Robinson 21:06 pm UTC Here's a sequel to Horizon Zero Dawn, a perfectly enjoyable video game. Martin Robinson 21:06 pm UTC It has so much graphics. Martin Robinson 21:08 pm UTC Horizon Forbidden West is its name, and *that* looks pretty next-gen to me. Martin Robinson 21:08 pm UTC (Even if the artstyle looks a bit Glastonbury gift shop). Martin Robinson 21:08 pm UTC 8/10 actually. Martin Robinson 21:09 pm UTC That was PS5. Martin Robinson 21:09 pm UTC I, for one, was impressed. Martin Robinson 21:09 pm UTC Though I wouldn't mind a few more details like price and release date... Martin Robinson 21:10 pm UTC I hope they just end with a screen that says $599. Martin Robinson 21:10 pm UTC Ah no we're getting big balls floating around instead. Martin Robinson 21:11 pm UTC I daren't think about how much these graphic interludes cost them... Martin Robinson 21:11 pm UTC And there's the box! Martin Robinson 21:12 pm UTC It looks sleeck as hell - and a lot more out there than the frankly dull looking PS4. Martin Robinson 21:12 pm UTC Two different models, and one without a disc drive. Martin Robinson 21:13 pm UTC A MEDIA REMOTE WHAT IS THIS 2001 Martin Robinson 21:13 pm UTC But yes that's a nice looking box. Martin Robinson 21:13 pm UTC Screw that though, here's Jim who's sexier than any console. Martin Robinson 21:13 pm UTC I wish they'd gone all out and made it Jim Ryan shaped. Martin Robinson 21:13 pm UTC No price today, nor a release date. it seems. Martin Robinson 21:15 pm UTC Maybe it's the fact this bottle of red is nearly done, but I thought the console looked alright? Martin Robinson 21:15 pm UTC I can't unsee that now though... Martin Robinson 21:16 pm UTC Well, there are a lot of questions that remain after that. Martin Robinson 21:17 pm UTC Price and release date being the obvious ones, but I'd have loved to hear more about PSVR and how that fits in, maybe a bit more on back compat and some nitty gritty on the machine itself. Martin Robinson 21:17 pm UTC And the leap in visuals perhaps wasn't as big as some might have hoped. But! I thought it did a great job of showing off some of the gameplay possibilities of the new hardware, and showed a broad range of really great looking new games. Martin Robinson 21:18 pm UTC And not one neck was stabbed. Martin Robinson 21:18 pm UTC I'd say that's a win? Martin Robinson 21:21 pm UTC Now, of course, it's up to Microsoft to show us what it has up its sleeve (let's pretend that last Xbox show didn't happen). Martin Robinson 21:22 pm UTC No big wow moment, but I think we've moved on from that by this point - instead I saw a selection of games I'd very much like to play, many of them making the most of that SSD and a bit of extra grunt. Martin Robinson 21:22 pm UTC Now, how much would I be willing to pay to play all that? That's the big question, and one that must wait for another day. Martin Robinson 21:26 pm UTC Thank you for joining us Kami, and thanks all of you - it was a pleasure, as always. Martin Robinson 21:26 pm UTC I'm now going to polish off the rest of this bottle of wine and wee in my garden. Good night all! Martin Robinson Load more comments Loading









